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		<title>Comment on fight club soap by BBQ season : Nature sur le grill &#171; Marlène&#39;s corner</title>
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		<dc:creator>BBQ season : Nature sur le grill &#171; Marlène&#39;s corner</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] commissions de recrutement dans les universités (Adventures in ethics and science) par exemple. D&#8217;autres soulignant l&#8217;aberration d&#8217;un système dans lequel une université qui contribue de manière non [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on #alt-ac: alternate academic careers for humanities scholars by Bloviate - The Path to Blogs@Baruch</title>
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		<description>[...] a big one, and it spurred me to reflect on the roots of my work as an educational technologist, an #alt-ac that emerged for me rather incidentally out of the work I was doing while training to become a [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on uninvited guests: regarding twitter at invitation-only academic events by Managing the Backchannel in the Classroom &#124; Hack Education</title>
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		<dc:creator>Managing the Backchannel in the Classroom &#124; Hack Education</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Nowviskie, &#8220;Uninvited Guests&#8220;: This post examines how Twitter can enrich and disrupt &#8220;closed&#8221; conversations. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on fight club soap by Bethany Nowviskie</title>
		<link>http://nowviskie.org/2010/fight-club-soap/comment-page-2/#comment-9096</link>
		<dc:creator>Bethany Nowviskie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ms. Baynes -- Thank you for your message, and for customizing it to indicate that you have read my post (unlike the wholly boilerplate message being left on other writers&#039; blogs -- about which Dorothea Salo &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/bookoftrogool/2010/06/its_quiettoo_quiet_with_a_digr.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;has commented&lt;/a&gt;).

Rather than respond directly to your comment, I&#039;d just like to point out to my readers that the University of California has responded to the press release you mention.  UC&#039;s response is available in PDF form, here:

http://osc.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/UC_Response_to_Nature_Publishing_Group.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ms. Baynes &#8212; Thank you for your message, and for customizing it to indicate that you have read my post (unlike the wholly boilerplate message being left on other writers&#8217; blogs &#8212; about which Dorothea Salo <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/bookoftrogool/2010/06/its_quiettoo_quiet_with_a_digr.php" rel="nofollow">has commented</a>).</p>
<p>Rather than respond directly to your comment, I&#8217;d just like to point out to my readers that the University of California has responded to the press release you mention.  UC&#8217;s response is available in PDF form, here:</p>
<p><a href="http://osc.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/UC_Response_to_Nature_Publishing_Group.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://osc.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/UC_Response_to_Nature_Publishing_Group.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on fight club soap by Grace Baynes</title>
		<link>http://nowviskie.org/2010/fight-club-soap/comment-page-2/#comment-9093</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace Baynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bethany,

I realise that your post is about wider issues of scholarly publishing and communication, and not just about the letter from University of California and California Digital Library.

However, I wanted to share NPG&#039;s public statement on this matter, where we have fully described our understanding and position. You can find our statement here: http://www.nature.com/press_releases/cdl.html

Nature Publishing Group will be doing all we can to bring discussions with CDL to a successful conclusion as soon as possible.

Grace Baynes
Nature Publishing Group</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bethany,</p>
<p>I realise that your post is about wider issues of scholarly publishing and communication, and not just about the letter from University of California and California Digital Library.</p>
<p>However, I wanted to share NPG&#8217;s public statement on this matter, where we have fully described our understanding and position. You can find our statement here: <a href="http://www.nature.com/press_releases/cdl.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/press_releases/cdl.html</a></p>
<p>Nature Publishing Group will be doing all we can to bring discussions with CDL to a successful conclusion as soon as possible.</p>
<p>Grace Baynes<br />
Nature Publishing Group</p>
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		<title>Comment on fight club soap by Nature Publishing Group and the University of California faculty &#171; Library Notes for Political Science</title>
		<link>http://nowviskie.org/2010/fight-club-soap/comment-page-2/#comment-9090</link>
		<dc:creator>Nature Publishing Group and the University of California faculty &#171; Library Notes for Political Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I would welcome further discussion of this matter and how it affects the social sciences and humanities. For a discussion of the humanities vis-a-vis science and technology publishing, I recommend you read the excellent blog post “Fight Club soap” by the University of Virginia’s Bethany Nowviskie:http://nowviskie.org/2010/fight-club-soap. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on fight club soap by Alex Gil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you want action that means something? prove to the up-and-coming graduate students/post-docs/assistant profs that their open-source work will have access to a peer-review mechanism that is respected and rewarded across the board. in a recent e-mail circulated around EELS in response to Beth&#039;s post, Richard Cohen suggested that we focus instead on the University Presses, and I quote,

&quot;It seems to me that the first place to start would be the university presses. Many of them barely make money as it is, are overly protective of their bottom line, hence erratically vet titles or become too specialist, and they are part of our world theoretically. They should convert fully to serving the needs of the university&#039;s base, its scholars.&quot;

although Cohen’s advise sounds like a good immediate step, it is still bound up with the logic of the university press as intermediary merchant. the brilliance of Beth’s Journal Club metaphor is that it underhandedly suggests that the way to exorcize the middle man is to emulate the way the unnamed narrator exorcizes Tyler Durden: by shooting ourselves in the face and surviving.  

practically speaking, little-old unknown me could have a publication-quality essay up and running online, where almost everyone in my field can read it, in only the time it takes me to write it. this is the first time in human history this is possible. want prestige and promotions? add a few weeks for a peer-review process; unleash the beast in an online repository that is visited assiduously by most in this or that field. heck, let the beast track down the field, and voila. this is what’s possible and practical with decade old technologies. talk about a big elephant in the room. 

the math in Beth’s argument I found exquisite as well. because it is a circle of lard morphing the producer into a consumer, the idea that the academy should avoid the cost of subsidizing an open-source scholarship in the name of fiscal responsibility can only be what Freud called a dream, a semi-rational fantasy whose sole purpose is to keep us sleeping. as semi-closed ecosystems, it is no longer a secret that we can reduce our collective costs in the long run if we simply upgraded the “presses” from petty merchants to a new breed of librarians. I say, promote them to clerics of the court, networkers, disseminators, techie ground-breakers and good riddance. there’s the elephant’s twin sister for you.

with two such elephants in the room, I’m tempted to do a reading of the collective perversity that keeps open scholarship at bay. as we stand, we are not those rebuffed men and women going back to the cave to illuminate their dangling brethren with tales of the sun, we are more like half-stoned tourists in all-inclusive resorts, rubbing SPF-45 over inane reruns of Foucault while paying lip-service to A Better World, Inc.©

because the cost and relatively limited amount of space in the print journals of yesteryear forced the peer-review process to be more selective, we sort of added the prestige of sportsmanship to publishing. no wonder it became THE criteria for tenure. alas, scholarship doesn’t necessarily need to win the race to be good scholarship. an honest and unconstrained peer-review system should not be afraid of watering down the wells of knowledge. in contrast to material goods, the widest distribution of the best ideas can only take place in a (non-)market open to all peers. 

look to the presses no more, look to the young scholars! they are the key! secure their peerage and you will see an open-source academy in two generations time.

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<p>&#8220;It seems to me that the first place to start would be the university presses. Many of them barely make money as it is, are overly protective of their bottom line, hence erratically vet titles or become too specialist, and they are part of our world theoretically. They should convert fully to serving the needs of the university&#8217;s base, its scholars.&#8221;</p>
<p>although Cohen’s advise sounds like a good immediate step, it is still bound up with the logic of the university press as intermediary merchant. the brilliance of Beth’s Journal Club metaphor is that it underhandedly suggests that the way to exorcize the middle man is to emulate the way the unnamed narrator exorcizes Tyler Durden: by shooting ourselves in the face and surviving.  </p>
<p>practically speaking, little-old unknown me could have a publication-quality essay up and running online, where almost everyone in my field can read it, in only the time it takes me to write it. this is the first time in human history this is possible. want prestige and promotions? add a few weeks for a peer-review process; unleash the beast in an online repository that is visited assiduously by most in this or that field. heck, let the beast track down the field, and voila. this is what’s possible and practical with decade old technologies. talk about a big elephant in the room. </p>
<p>the math in Beth’s argument I found exquisite as well. because it is a circle of lard morphing the producer into a consumer, the idea that the academy should avoid the cost of subsidizing an open-source scholarship in the name of fiscal responsibility can only be what Freud called a dream, a semi-rational fantasy whose sole purpose is to keep us sleeping. as semi-closed ecosystems, it is no longer a secret that we can reduce our collective costs in the long run if we simply upgraded the “presses” from petty merchants to a new breed of librarians. I say, promote them to clerics of the court, networkers, disseminators, techie ground-breakers and good riddance. there’s the elephant’s twin sister for you.</p>
<p>with two such elephants in the room, I’m tempted to do a reading of the collective perversity that keeps open scholarship at bay. as we stand, we are not those rebuffed men and women going back to the cave to illuminate their dangling brethren with tales of the sun, we are more like half-stoned tourists in all-inclusive resorts, rubbing SPF-45 over inane reruns of Foucault while paying lip-service to A Better World, Inc.©</p>
<p>because the cost and relatively limited amount of space in the print journals of yesteryear forced the peer-review process to be more selective, we sort of added the prestige of sportsmanship to publishing. no wonder it became THE criteria for tenure. alas, scholarship doesn’t necessarily need to win the race to be good scholarship. an honest and unconstrained peer-review system should not be afraid of watering down the wells of knowledge. in contrast to material goods, the widest distribution of the best ideas can only take place in a (non-)market open to all peers. </p>
<p>look to the presses no more, look to the young scholars! they are the key! secure their peerage and you will see an open-source academy in two generations time.</p>
<p>still unpublished in print&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on fight club soap by University of California vs. Nature &#171; Sauropod Vertebra Picture of the Week</title>
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		<dc:creator>University of California vs. Nature &#171; Sauropod Vertebra Picture of the Week</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 23:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all the blogging that has been done on this, the now-infamous Fight Club post seems to be getting the most link-love and discussion, and deservedly [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on fight club soap by Bethany Nowviskie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bethany Nowviskie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I can die happy now.  Not only have I lived to see the word &quot;awesomesauce&quot; in the Chronicle of Higher Education, it is in connection with my name: http://chronicle.com/blogPost/Weekend-Reading-State-of/24703/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I can die happy now.  Not only have I lived to see the word &#8220;awesomesauce&#8221; in the Chronicle of Higher Education, it is in connection with my name: <a href="http://chronicle.com/blogPost/Weekend-Reading-State-of/24703/" rel="nofollow">http://chronicle.com/blogPost/Weekend-Reading-State-of/24703/</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>A small collection of resources about the University of California &#8216;negotiation&#8217; with Nature Publishing Group &#171; the Undergraduate Science Librarian</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] fight club soap from Bethany Nowviskie at nowviskie.org &#8211; a great article by a humanities scholar linking the recent UC/NPG issue, the serials crisis, the decline in monograph purchases by libraries, and the folding of university presses. [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>See Also&#8230; &#187; Communicating to faculty about Nature Publishing Group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I would welcome further discussion of this matter and how it affects the humanities. For a discussion of the humanities vis-a-vis science and technology publishing, I recommend you read the excellent blog post &#8220;Fight Club soap&#8221; by the University of Virginia&#8217;s Bethany Nowviskie:  http://nowviskie.org/2010/fight-club-soap/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I would welcome further discussion of this matter and how it affects the humanities. For a discussion of the humanities vis-a-vis science and technology publishing, I recommend you read the excellent blog post &#8220;Fight Club soap&#8221; by the University of Virginia&#8217;s Bethany Nowviskie:  <a href="http://nowviskie.org/2010/fight-club-soap/" rel="nofollow">http://nowviskie.org/2010/fight-club-soap/</a> [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Big News in Scholarly Publishing from the Library of Maura</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Digital Research &amp; Scholarship at the University of Virginia Library, wrote a great post called Fight Club Soap that, among other things, includes a powerful discussion of the relationship between scholarly [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Power, Authority, and the Academic Journal: Thoughts on UC vs. NPG &#171; Michael J. Altman</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...]  This is also a side in crisis, as the budget shortfalls of libraries like UC and other show.  Bethany Nowviskie has offered a nice analysis of the systemic problems on the reception side of academic publishing. [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Classroots.org - Do It Ourselves</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] wife, Bethany Nowviskie (@nowviskie), has posted on the University of California&#8217;s moves to boycott Nature Publishing Group. Essentially, the publishing group takes the work of professors &#8211; authors and peer reviewers [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>SAMPLE REALITY &#183; Fight Club Soap, Sold by SD-6</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] standoff between the University of California system and the Nature Publishing Group as a case of fight club soap. Bethany explains the metaphor much better than I can (I urge you to read her post), and she boils [...]</description>
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